STARWEB EMAIL DISCUSSION GROUP (THE SEDG) (Sponsored by Flying Moose Technologies' Starweb Analyzer - http://www.accessv.com/~wulkan/fmt.html) VOL 18 October 25, 1999 CONTENTS Feature Article Diplomacy vs. Strategy in PBEMs by Luis Sequeira Special Articles - Private game follow-ups Questions - The gifted (but destroyed key), Order of AH, AI, AP SEDG Web Page URL The Captain's Log - A Starweb Rewrite? The Swap Corner - Ring functions Correspondence - Braggart's corner - Who is the oldest? FEATURE ARTICLE Have you ever cleaned out your hard drive and found stuff that you have absolutely no idea what it is, or how it got there? Well, the following article is a good example of spring cleaning on my hard drive. I imagine I saw it in some newsgroup, compuserve forum or web page dedicated to PBEM (Play-by-email) games. It is so good that I thought I would share it with you here. If anyone knows Luis Sequera or has any idea how I can contact him I would appreciate hearing from you so I can tell him how much I enjoyed it and to let him know that it has been reproduced here. Elliot PBEM v92 n04 (15Oct92) ====================================================================== Diplomacy vs. Strategy in PBEMs Luis Sequeira ====================================================================== As games in general, and PBM's/PBEM's in particular, get more and more complex, and have an increasing number of players, and simulate more closely what happens in real life, some interesting aspects of this same `real life' come into existence, whether the players are in fact taking them into account or not. One of this aspects is diplomacy and politics. Most PBEM's are quite militarily-oriented. That means you can join the game, build your army or space fleet or whatever and off you go, merrily jumping from hex to hex (or square to square, or city to city, or star system to star system) smashing your forces against the enemy's. And the enemy is everywhere... if it isn't yours, it's the enemy's. So, the game is simply a matter of destroying everyone (and everything) else around until you (or someone else...) is the sole survivor in the game world. This concept of simple wargaming has come to us from the boardgame era. Here, a small group of players entertain themselves by destroying each other. It's chess on another scale. If economics are present, they exist mainly to give the players an opportunity to build more weapons or get bigger armies and destroy his or her adversaries quicker. But, in fact, a wargame is just that: a WARgame. If the number of players increases, and all of them start with somewhat equal chances (that is, similar forces, same number of armies, etc.), the game is more difficult. In a two- or three-player game, with a little luck, you can tackle your opponents easily and force them out of the game. But this is another matter with seven or eight players. Assuming the same strength for all (and equal `mastery' of the game - everyone knowing well the rules, no newcomers, and so on), there is no other choice but for one player to join forces with a second one in order to defeat yet a third one. By doubling their armies/forces/ whatever, they now have an advantage over the poor player who stands alone. Here are the basics of diplomacy in wargaming: Split the world into allies and enemies, join forces with your allies and destroy your enemies. Quite an improvement over the one-against-all variant... Of course, many games are not suitable for diplomacy, and in many others you don't benefit from any advantages of diplomacy - that is, it is still better to fight them all single-handedly than to ally yourself with some of the players and fight the others. Diplomacy is best used with large games, with lots of players. The normal boardgame (well, there are exceptions, of course - "Diplomacy" is perhaps the most famous diplomatic game of them all...) is simply too limited to allow any real advantages from diplomacy and politics, as there aren't enough players for that. But in PBEM's, this is another matter. When you have 50+ players on the same map, all starting with the same forces, alliances are extremely important. Perhaps the fact I find most amusing in this type of large-scale games is how they simulate so closely the matters of diplomacy and politics - and, most of the time, without the players even thinking twice about it. Consider the average two- or three-player alliance. Having fought each other for eons, they now face an external enemy (for example, someone who has already conquered a lot from the territory formerly occupied by "newcomers"...). Suddenly this external threat is more important than the quibbling between the three. They join forces and defeat this menace. A kingdom is born - but perhaps the players are not yet aware of this. Later on, they explore their surroundings without aim or purpose and fight their private battles. They will perhaps never again talk to each of the other two --- but in their minds they know that, in case of another threat, they will be able to fight it again, with their increased combined strength. It worked once, it will work in the future again --- isn't that so? During the later stages of the game, they may find other players, struggling for survival, that ask for help, or pity, and offer to surrender, to join the "Kingdom of Three" instead of being utterly destroyed. "Surrender" is a strange word in many games. It's more than often a life-or-death situation; you either fight and win, or retreat and are banished from the game. "Surrender", now, is something new; what will the player benefit from a "surrender"? Surely not new territories or resources, as if he accepts the surrender, they will now be forbidden to him, and he'll need to get elsewhere to find them. So most players would simply say: "Forget the surrender. Fight like a man!" and smash the piteous player out of the way. But there are hidden advantages which most forget. For example, having a new member in the "Kingdom of Three" wouldn't be that bad. Of course, territory and resources and victory points would have to be sacrificed --- but there would be the advantage of having another player to "do the dirty work" of assaulting those nasty enemies on the other side of the map while he could easily conquer those easy fortresses (or star systems) just in the neighborhood... so he says: "Allrighty, I'll accept your surrender --- but now you'll work for me! Immediately move your forces to that city (or star) and destroy the enemy there." The "Kingdom of Three" has now become the "Kingdom of Four". The new player has lost a lot --- he isn't free anymore. He must obey his "master", fighting for him what he'd never dared to fight alone. But now he has no choice --- attacking the enemy is the only way, lest his master's armies destroy him before that... But is his situation that desperate? Not at all. Of course, the "master" gets the lion's share; but he'll conquer some cities and victory points (and whatever) for himself, too. Perhaps this is not much, but it's better than doing nothing at all just for fear... and, if something goes wrong, his "master" will come and aid him (because his "master" now needs him to keep the enemies busy at the other side of the world - in fact, and in a way, he has become dependent of him to do something he doesn't want to do with *his* forces). So, after a few fights, he may declare to his master: "I've done as you ordered, O Sire. Now I'll like to fight some enemies of my own, and grow a little more, so that I may serve you better." (or something like that, more appropriate to a S-F setting). And his "master" even gives him some production points or battleships or a load of horses, so that he may fare better the next time... Later on, the "Kingdom of Four" has become the "Kingdom of Twelve". New players have surrendered; even a player with a large force has decided to become an ally, in return of some help against a powerful enemy. One of the original three players begins to feel that the situation is slightly out of control; and he begins the difficult task of getting things done in a more organized manner. He begins to analyze the resources that each member of the "Kingdom of Twelve" has. Some of them have vast amounts of production points (factories, industry, shipyards, etc); some have enormous armies, or space fleets; some have money and population. Now he decides to optimize all this, and orders some of the players to give some production points to others, in return of men (or ships) for their battles, and orders the richer players to pay the expenses of others, in return of help against common enemies. Meanwhile, what was originally just a bunch of chaotic and individualistic players, each one with their own ambitions and plans, has become an organized "kingdom", with a ruler who does all the planning, and "subjects" or allies who do the dirty work - but all are happy, as they fare better than alone by themselves. And they are now able to accomplish things they couldn't even dream of while being alone... Thus, this "natural evolution" of things, forming larger and larger empires, due to the needs of many, is an interesting similarity with the real world. At the beginning, the players may not be aware of this, and many claim that they have no interest in creating alliances or joining existing kingdoms --- until they see that those who are already joined or allied are quite an impressive force, with many advantages and benefits resulting from their cooperation. Even with simple rules this effect is quite common to observe. Imagine a very simple game where every player has but one army. Of course, he who has the largest army will win the game, as nobody will be ever able to defeat him. But it would be so simple to join two armies half his size to defeat him - thus forming an alliance which has the advantage of being able to fight two enemies simultaneously or one enemy stronger than both. The principles of diplomacy are, thus, quite simple. Many players do not wish to involve themselves in this "game of diplomacy & politics", as they dislike the old story of plotting and stabbing knives on the back of friends, thus breaking alliances for your convenience, and so on, when it is much easier to accumulate money and power and just march off to smash the enemy... This is, of course, the "dark side of diplomacy". To choose the allies and the enemies is no easy task; many players simply invent some kind of dislike against another particular player ("He never replies to my messages!!"), and simply label him as "the enemy". Others join forces naively with treacherous overlords who delight in scavenging their underlings when they aren't watching... So, they must be able to pick their friends, because it's so more easy to gather enemies ("Friends come and go, but enemies accumulate..." - fortune cookie). Sooner or later, despite having some initial troubles, the "kingdoms" (or any other type of political combination involving several players) are established, whether by charismatic influence of the overlord-to-be, or simply by strength of arms, as retold on the example above. The good kingdoms, the ones who'll last even if the overlord quits the game, must, however, keep their strength in spite of the leader's strength and charisma. This means *careful planning*. Some players have only joined the kingdom because of lack of choices, and are awaiting their first chance for revenge. But the deeper the bonds between the members of a kingdom, the stronger is the kingdom --- and, paradoxically but not surprisingly --- the more freedom each member has, because he can count on the others to protect himself if something goes wrong, and thus be bolder to attempt his own "invasions" without --- or with less --- fear. Thus, the process of kingdom construction is symbiotic. Players trade some of their freedom --- well, at least they have to think in terms of common goals instead of having individual plans --- in exchange of protection. On a second phase, the overlord will have to exploit each member's strengths and weaknesses, in order to balance everything out among them --- and create something, which is more than its parts. This is the purpose of a kingdom. If the overlord is a good one --- that is, a good diplomat --- he'll be able to persuade the others that sticking together and exchanging armies, money, production points, etc., between themselves is better than facing "the outer world" without anyone's help. If he's an excellent planner, he'll even be able to get the kingdom functioning even if he isn't able to play any more --- because he simply quits the game, or because he is so utterly destroyed that he cannot keep on with the game. In a well-oiled kingdom, the overlord is just another wheel in the machinery --- he may be the most important person in the kingdom, but, later on, he's expendable --- or, put in another words, he can be easily replaced by somebody else without causing any disturbance to the functioning of the kingdom. On the other hand, the overlord may be an extraordinarily charismatic individual, who can easily persuade a lot of players to join him, and in fact even succeeds in doing so, but, when he quits the game, the other players inevitably fight with each other over the issue of who is going to be the next king... thus, a good overlord cannot be a tyrant, exploiting his subjects in order to achieve more strength for himself, but neither an easy-going one, allowing his subjects such freedom that they don't even *feel* they are in the same kingdom. While many players at the beginning moan about joining a kingdom and being ordered to do this and that, they also expect something in return for that; if the overlord fails to provide them with this "something" - organization - the kingdom slowly falls apart... Other issue is the size. Here we join the eternal fight between a centralized government and a local authority with many degrees of freedom. The good overlord knows how much he can stretch his kingdom and his rule. That is, a gigantic empire with dozens of players must be ruled with an iron fist; and there is the ever-existing problem of how to get the king's armies on the borders fast enough to suppress rebellion --- or even to aid the king's subjects in the war against the neighboring kingdom. The other choice is giving some trusted players some degree of freedom, and letting them organize "kingdoms inside kingdoms", that is, provinces of the Great Kingdom, with much independence, but nevertheless belonging to the same Great Kingdom. The problem here is if the overlord isn't able to maintain some of his rule over the border provinces. Consider, for instance, a request or help from a player in one of the border provinces. Most certainly, the help will come from the local ruler, and not from the overlord himself, as he is too far away to be of any assistance. If the situation happens again and again, at some point the players will talk to the local ruler and say: "We always ask for help from our Great Overlord, but he ignores our plea; however, YOU always aid us whenever possible. Why won't we split from the kingdom, and create our own? We could easily defeat the other provinces, as THEIR ruler never helps them...". Here the issue is to encourage local organization, but to suppress desires for total freedom, and to grow a feeling towards the Great Kingdom, and not towards a local ruler; that is, when the borders are threatened, the players must proudly fight the invaders "in the name of the Great Empire ", and be proud of doing so, as they have a mission of importance to follow, by orders of the Great King, who himself is far away, but helps in ways unknown (but somewhat felt)... I have seen in a medieval PBM a great empire being built, having almost 40 (!) players under the same overking, and it fell, because the local rulers were so strong and independent (because the emperor allowed this independence) that they encouraged rebellion easily. Now the empire has been almost destroyed by a civil war which lasts for turns and turns... but, some miles to the west, a new empire has arisen, and perhaps their emperor has gained some wisdom while watching the Fall of the Great Empire. He has a much more centralized state, with local rulers only extending his wishes and orders, but all decisions are made by a group of councilmen to the emperor (two other players plus the emperor himself). By now, this empire has not yet 20 members; but the emperor has, I think, found the best organization for this size. He told me once the empire could not grow much further, because he couldn't extend his "iron fist" much farther. In fact, his borders are threatened by enemies which he barely can match in power. Already other nations look upon this empire with some envy, as it is quite rich... and is currently the biggest empire on the map. But if the empire gets beyond the grasp of the emperor, that is, if he lets his greed and ambition in the way, and begins to neglect his farthest members, it will surely crumble and fall like the others. This is also no easy task. To know one's limitations, to build a kingdom with the correct size, and the right form of organization, knowing how to balance centralization and local freedom... it's different for different players - just like in the real world! When the kingdom has been successfully established, and its internal affairs settle down, it's time to think about diplomacy with the "outer world". This is similar to making first contacts with your neighbors and creating your first alliances. However, errors may prove to be fatal. Threatening one major power is not the same as threatening a single individual (even a very powerful one). A fellow kingdom may raise much more resources (this spells A-R-M-I-E-S...), and bloody warfare could follow, devastating a carefully planned kingdom. But there is much more to diplomacy between kingdoms than between individual players. For instance, wars can be won without fights; a kingdom may be interested in "conquering" (that is, having on its side) a new member, a neutral player between rival kingdoms; a diplomatic campaign enhancing the virtues of belonging to this kingdom and not to the other ("who are a bunch of idiots anyway...") may be launched in order to force the independent player into this or that kingdom. Here is that kind of diplomacy at play which many know better: lies, treachery, backstabbing, and coercion... all without fighting. Of course, the kingdom must project to the outside an image of perfection, of happiness, of stability --- or other kingdoms may plot a revolt inside your on borders, just telling the members of the kingdom how foolish their overlord is, and how much better they would be if they were in *our* kingdom, and so on... So, careful tracing of spheres of influence is required. Too ambitious a ruler, and there may not be enough power to defeat other kingdoms who enter "through the back door"... A good overlord will allow other kingdoms also to have their own spheres of influence and inform them of *his* own. Conflicts are avoided through pacts and treaties. They may be broken in the future, but the overlord must be very sure of his power before doing such a thing. When playing against organized groups of players, and not single individuals, "careful" is the word. Of course, sooner or later major wars will break out; but this should be avoided at first. The overlord should have a list of priorities for his external affairs: first expand to this zone, colonize this one, then force that kingdom out of that region, and so on. Doing everything at the same time is impossible, even for enormous empires; on the other hand, the overlord must have always some plan to keep his subjects busy and happy... if they get too bored with waiting, they will certainly find entertainment in rebellion... No easy task, being an overlord. But how narrow this borders on our real world, past and present! Even if the game has not much to offer in terms of reality (as I wrote about on my last article), at least diplomacy can always be achieved, if there is a sufficiently large group of players. And the more there are, the more intricate and convoluted can be the diplomatic plots... So watch your back, and why don't you join *my* kingdom...? - Luis Sequeira (The author must advise caution when putting his own ideas into practice. He has *no* degree in politics or diplomacy! In fact, the first PBM he ever played, he succeeded to keep 13 players together for about four turns, until they all crumbled under the heels of the enemies' armies. The second time, he went a little way farther: he even joined more players [all of them his long-time friends...] in a *greater* empire - and had the same results - only faster, of course. But he still tries...) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- SPECIAL ARTICLES - Private Game follow ups! A PUBLIC PRIVATE BITTER END SW GAME - By Ken Cassady kenjody@foxinternet.net. This game entails an email game with bitter end victory being ownership of 150 worlds. The Public aspect relates to the fact that all players receive all the turnsheets (as well as the SEDG web page). To date there has been a lot of discussion on use of the art both in the SEDG and among potential players. Ken relates that he has 5 players. The game may become a minimulti each person playing 2 positions if only 7 players can be found. Details are in Volume 16 or write to Ken. PRIVATE PARTNERS ANONYMOUS EMAIL GAME by David Smith dmsmith001@aol.com This game is played anonymously by email. The only person you can discuss strategy with is your partner. Victory conditions are chosen as usual but can go up to 15,000 points. Dave relates that 4 teams (8 players) have signed up. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- QUESTIONS - Can anyone answer these? Sharon Wyatt asked: You have mentioned just about everything in your combat segment(Volume 17) except which is hit first when you do an AH, I-ships or P-ships. Editor: OH, OH, OH - I know this one ! I ships are hit first! From Volume 17 - Brian Lease asked: I asked this question to Flying Buffalo and they answered it with an "I think so", and since the answer to the question could prove pivotal in an anon game I'm in, I thought I'd ask the expert. If I gift a fleet to a player, and that fleet is destroyed (ships destroyed attached to the key) the turn I gift it, will the player I was gifting it to receive a report on the world that fleet(key) was on when it was gifted and destroyed? ====================== David Benepe responds: I'm not SURE in the sense that I remember doing it, but I do remember numerous times seeing such as the following on a printout, where CURIOSITY is a pirate P-capturing a gifted fleet: W7 (3,5,9,11) [CURIOSITY] C[YAKERNI] (Population = 30/3C,Limit=30,Turns=1) F99[CURIOSITY]=100 (Moved) F100 [CURIOSITY] = 13 (Captured, Lost by SNARK, Gift from DAVZO) In this circumstance, I'm *pretty darn sure* that SNARK will get a printout of W7, along with DAVZO, CURIOSITY and YAKERNI. Basically, anyone whose name is mentioned gets a printout, plus anyone that probes the world, plus the former owner of a HW. The problem is I can't specifically remember seeing the above when I was the gift recipient, rather than one of the other three roles. David ----------------------------------------------------------------------- STARWEB EMAIL DISCUSSION GROUP - is available on the web. Look for our new MAPPER'S SECTION on the SEDG Web Page. http://www.accessv.com/~somnos/sedg.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FEATURE - THE CAPTAIN'S LOG 991024.0401-4 By Walt Schmidt walts@dorsai.org "The parody is the last refuge of the frustrated writer. Parodies are what you write when you are associate editor of the Harvard Lampoon. The greater the work of literature, the easier the parody. The step up from writing parodies is writing on the wall above the urinal." - Ernest Hemingway "For a good time - call Nemo at 666.555.0042" Alter! YES, Nemo - what can I do for you? I think we've had too many journals of late that have been far too serious. SO? Me thinks it's time for a bit of tongue-in-cheek! HEAVEN help us - and may the gods deliver us from that which we are about to be suffered through. Tough - it's my journal and I am of a mood...so, I wonder what Loomis would do, if he was to re-write some of StarWeb for the new millennium? Hmmm... A. THE EMPIRE BUILDER. Your people believe in the Tao According to The Trump. It is your goal to mortgage as much of the universe as possible, increasing your cash flow any way you can. You get one point per turn for each $10 credits of positive cash flow. You get 1 point per turn for each casino you control that turns a cash-profit (it makes no difference if the casino is making a book-profit - if you own it and it has positive cash-flow, you get a point for it), and 1 point per turn for each political-favor you are owed. SPECIAL POWER: While other players can build as local laws allow, once they have processed the requisite paperwork, you can build anything, anywhere you want, once you've curried enough favors. B. THE MERCHANT. You are interested only in merchandising. You get 8 points for each Movie-Related Product (or MRP - and not to be confused with RMP - raw material production from the old game) which you "unload" on a planet owned by another player. You only get these points if the Related-Movie (or RM - and not to be confused with Raw Materials from the old game) is still being shown on the planet, and only up to twice the number of theaters showing the movie. This is to keep you from dumping excess MRP on theater-less worlds. SPECIAL POWER: As a Merchant, you can factor your receivables in order to finance the purchase of MRPs - other players must pay cash. C. THE PIRATE. You are interested in Ripoffs, and you get points for copying Designer Products. To copy a Designer Product, you must own a world with industry and declare that you are using its industry to produce the copied Designer Product. The first time you Ripoff a particular Designer Product, you get 50 points. (Then 40, 30, 20, and thereafter 10.) A Designer Product can only be copied once every four business cycles. During the three cycles after a Designer Product has been copied, the world on which it was produced will not increase in population and the industry on that world will not be able to build. SPECIAL POWER: If a Pirate is at a world where his or her shipping fleets are carrying Ripoffs, and they outnumber all other shipping fleets by MORE THAN THREE TO ONE, then the Pirate can hi-jack all the other shipping fleets' contents, and sell it as their own. D. THE ARTIFACT COLLECTOR. As the richest person on a rich world, your jaded tastes are excited by the idea of owning what ever you want. On many of the worlds in the system, there are various highly expensive unique goods (UGs) and services. You get points for each of these unique goods and services that you own. (See "Hammacher Schlemmer" at http://www.hammacher.com/ ) You also get a bonus of 500 points at the end of the game for each world that you own on which you have built a storage facility (See http://www.suntimes.com/ebert/old_movies/kcomp.html and http://www.odysseygroup.com/coll397/sled.JPG and http://www.win.net/~homebrew/los296_1.htm - But not to be confused with http://www.citizenkane.com/ which in itself should not be confused with, nor in reality could ever be confused with http://imusic.com/soundtracks/citizenkane.html ) that has 10 or more UGs; you have created a "Shrine To The Almighty Dollar". SPECIAL POWER: You are the only player who does not lose points for owning Ripoffs. After all, you own so much of so many things, who cares if a few of them are Ripoffs. And even if the authorities were to care, with your wealth...well, you know. E. THE BERSERKER. You are a Civil Service Postal Employee (CSPE) in charge of your own route section. Your job is to ensure that the mail gets through - that is: "Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed rounds." (Taken from the General Post Office, New York City, 8th Avenue and 33rd Street, as supplied by the firm of McKim, Mead & White, architects. The sentence first appears in the works of Herodotus and describes the Persians under Cyrus, about 500 B.C., who operated a system of mounted postal couriers [NEMO NO! Don't even go there! Please, while you might have no limits - I'm sure Elliot does.], and the sentence describes the fidelity with which their work was done). But, sometimes pressures mount. Therefore, you get two points for each population you kill by shooting, by unloading undelivered, unwanted mail on the world, or by destroying the world! You get 5 points per turn for each world you own that is populated by fellow CSPEs. If you destroy an entire world (!) by dropping on it a Boxcar of Bulk Mail (BBM - not to be confused with a PBB - a Planet Buster Bomb from the old game), you get 200 points for the BBM, plus the points for the population. (For further insight into the CSPE psyche, including the full quote from which is taken "It is the delicate ear trump through which...isolated individuals whisper their joys and their sorrows" see http://www.usps.gov/history/his8.htm ). SPECIAL POWER: A Berserker can convert some of his ship's personnel to fellow CSPE, waving the usual requisite exam-taking. They, in appreciation for not having to take the CS exam, immediately drop to the world below (a postal employee attack). If a Berserker drops CSPEs on a world, killing all the population, and leaves at least 1 CSPE on the world, he or she captures the world. F. THE APOSTLE. You are a Television Evangelist. Your purpose in life is to convert the entire galaxy to your particular point of view, so you can build "that Spectacular Religious Edifice" (or SRE) from the donations you collect from your converts - minus a very small and appropriate fee for yourself. Other players may get rid of your converts by converting them back to "normal spending habits" by unloading Movie-Related-Products on them (bribing them with merchandise as it were). Each MRP unloaded on a world has a 50% chance of converting one convert back to "normal spending habits". Apostles get 5 points per turn for each world on which they have built an SRE. At any time during the game you may declare an Adulterous Action (an AA) against a fellow Apostle. You then get two points for each of his or her population you convert to your Evangelic Sect. You cannot cancel an AA once it is declared, but you may charge another Apostle, of your choice, with another AA, and forgive the initially charged Apostle for the errors of his or her way. SPECIAL POWER: If you completely convert the entire population of a world, you gain control of that world, and all its resources are immediately at your disposal to finish "that SRE" - and, of course, to pay you that very small and appropriate fee. Yep! I'm sure that's what Loomis might do... - Shai Dorsai ! Nemo ----------------------------------------------------------------------- FEATURE - THE SWAP CORNER - Using Ring functions By pushing the ring button you designate one world to be ring 0. I often refer to this as the designated center of the universe. Worlds adjacent to it will be considered ring 1, 2 worlds away ring 2, 3 worlds away ring 3 and so on. All worlds in the List View will have a number at the bottom right of the world icon. This tells you its ring position from the center of the universe. In addition you can filter worlds by their ring position. Useful functions are to find things within range of a world such as the best metal stockpile <= ring 3 to haul from or from a world with a battle going on. You can also sort the List View by ring and it will list the ring 0 world first and then all the ring 1 worlds followed by ring 2 etc. The worlds within each ring are still listed in ascending order. Combining the ring functions with other filters gives you a powerful tool to search for things, such as filtering all worlds within ring 3 of a key you have a PBB on and sort by population to reveal your best target. You can even refilter using world owners to include/exclude players that you don't want to visit with the PBB. EXAMPLE: Find the biggest metal stockpile within 1 turn of a HW. 1. Set your HW as ring 0 by o on the Tool Bar press the Ring World Center Button and type in the world number or o Right click on the world in the Map View and select Set as Ring Zero 2. Set the Ring World Limit control (on the Toolbar) to 3. 3. On the Tool Bar select the Filter Worlds <= Ring Limit 4. In the List View select the World View and sort it by Metal. The requested worlds will be listed in the World View in order of metal stockpiled in ascending order. If you wish to fine tune it by specifying only worlds owned by you or your allies you must additionally select the Filter Worlds(owner) and select from Column 2 the owners you wish to specify. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- CORRESPONDENCE - Frank Schilt writes: Elliot, You might want to solicit 'authored articles' for your SW web site on the subject of: PLAYERS OF TO BE FEARED Now, you can tone it down some, like: PLAYERS WHO PLAY WEIRD or PLAYERS YOU BETTER HAVE FRIENDS AGAINST or even GAMBLERS but you might get some material about stuff like that... FFS Editor - Gee Frank, I don't want the articles to degenerate into mud slinging. And one person's undying ally is another's nemesis. But the types of players I fear most are the incompetent, turn missing ally or the one who just doesn't understand the game (but thinks so). BRAGGART'S CORNER So in response to my threat to pull the Braggart's corner (due to lack of interest) is Walter Schmidt our paranoid multiple personality columnist. Walt said: ...Nemo - attempting a five-in-one! 1 - Oldest SW Player currently reading SEDG - first game played SW-36 began 02/24/77 2 - Oldest SW Winning Player currently reading SEDG - won SW-36 3 - Oldest SW Winning Merchant Player currently reading SEDG - won SW- 36 as a merchant 4 - Oldest SW Winner of First Game Played Merchant Player currently reading SEDG - SW-36 5 - Oldest SW Winner of First Game Played Merchant Player currently reading SEDG - SW-36, who took over a 17 year hiatus between his current games and his previously last player game circa 1982 And as my proof for items 1-4, see page 11 of Issue 40 of FBQ! Editor's note: Walter as much as I don't want to get into a pissing contest over who is older (nobody wins in that scenario). I believe I played first in SW 24. Nope, I don't want to tell you how I did. Look it up. (I was eliminated :-(). Not to burst you're balloon (and not wanting to play down the SEDG) but being at the forefront of our small readership is hardly newsworthy. I will have to ask [ALTER] to reign you in :-). Are there any top ten players out there currently reading the SEDG? Speaking about articles. (Was I speaking about articles)? A couple of you spoke to me about providing articles and I haven't seen them yet. Don't make me spam you . Anyone out there interested in reviewing the Starweb ranking system. It rankles me that my first game in 1977 still drags me down. Why don't I get my 10 games and drop it? Well, I spend half my time in private games and half in extralong games (my favorite). It's only when I play in all email normal games that I get a chance to boost my performance - half the time I play in those under my alternate account as a pirate willing to ignore score over the joy of disemboweling an opponent! Well, that's it for Volume 18. Don't be afraid to submit articles or suggestions. They don't have to be long. Address your correspondence to Elliot Hudes at somnos@compuserve.com